Fiat Ducato
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I'm going to cover two problems here. One
is fixing the fridge and the second a really serious matter concerning
the gearbox.
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I thought I'd pen a few
lines to show how I've maintained my Fiat Ducato, especially
the campervan version, and here only in areas of untypical maintenance.
Our camper was made by a company called Adria having been modified
from a standard van built in 2004/2005. The date is fairly important
because not long after that date various changes were introduced
making spare parts often tricky to identify correctly. |
Fixing the Fiat Ducato
Adria Campervan Fridge
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Quite recently (May 2024)
our fridge stopped working and I had to figure out how to fix
it. It's powered from a choice of three sources.. 240 Volt AC
mains, 12 Volts DC or gas and, since we've owned the van (from
2007), it's been plugged into a mains supply and quite naturally
the fridge has been using that option. Not too surprising then,
after 17 years of continuous use, that the mains option failed.
Thinking about the reason... the heater whose task is to keep
the gas-liquid refridgerant cycle running will have been turning
on and off so somewhere in its construction metal fatigue probably
eventually open-circuited the element.
I checked and found that suitable
new elements were plentiful so bought one and fitted it. The
fitting exercise was not straightforward as it meant deciding
how to remove the old element and insert the new one. Not only
swapping the actual element posed a problem.. but how the fridge
fitted into the van needed to be figured out. The pictures below
show how I managed.
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One of the clues to fridge failure
is the lack of waste heat leaking from the upper grille. When
the fridge is working normally one should be able to feel a waft
of warm air if you put your face near to it.
Removal of the fridge for repair
involved several stages of dismantling. The first step having
diagnosed the fault was to remove the exterior grilles. These
were clipped into plastic frames secured with stainless steel
screws. I found much better access after also removing the frames.
The second step was to detach
all the electrical cables and the gas supply pipe. The cables
are on the top and the gas supply pipe connection is at the bottom
left looking from the rear. This was better accessed once the
fridge had been slid forwards about six inches or so.
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Limited access to the wiring
was via a detachable panel in the floor of the wardrobe so I
was able to test heater supplies and their continuity. In my
case, as I'd expected, the mains heater proved to have failed
requiring the removal of the fridge.
After a lot of puzzling I found
a pair of fixing screws located behind the passenger seat. These
were holding the fridge in place in conjunction with a kind of
very messy black Bostik.
I was then able to shift the
very heavy fridge and this picture shows it slid forward with
its door removed.
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I identified the screw
connectors holding the various cables which needed to be detached.
Basically these are the mains
input, the battery supply and the thermostat wiring.
I made notes and took numerous
pictures of how these were routed and to which choc-bloc terminals
the cables connected.
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Below, after the gas pipe
(bottom right) and the cables had been unscrewed, I pulled out
the fridge and lifted it away to gain access to the heater assembly.
I lifted it onto the adjacent seat, taking care not to get any
Bostik on the seat material, and using the inspection panel from
the wardrobe floor on which to rest the fridge on the seat. |
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Here you can see
the electric heater assembly.
There are two heaters within
the heavily insulated metal sleeve. To gain access meant unclipping
the outer sleeve and pulling away some of the insulation material,
after which the mains heater was jiggled out. The battery powered
heater, fed by the grey cable, was left in place.
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On the left is the open
circuit heater and below is a picture of the replacement heating
element. |
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Fitting the new heater
and refitting the fridge was fairly straightforward and it then
worked normally. |
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Now I'll describe
a really nasty gearbox problem
Note: This job which would have cost more
than £3,750 directly resulted from several pennypinching
design changes will befall lots of owners of the Ducato, Boxer
and Relay vehicles.
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Our campervan hasn't seen
a lot of use. A mere 20,000 miles in the last 20 years so faults
that may occur may not be particularly common. Recently, we drove
to Cornwall, probably around 400 miles round trip. The van behaved
perfectly for 398 miles before it suddenly stopped in second
gear after changing up from first. No amount of pushing and pulling
the gear lever would shift it from second gear. As we were in
a huge traffic jam on Avon Causeway I needed to do something
and quickly discovered I could make way by slipping the clutch
and making headway but at no more than 20mph. The last two miles,
using hazard flashers brought me to our gate and by pure luck
managed to get through with inches to spare without scraping
anything.
After puzzling over the fault
and coming to the conclusion the van was stuck in the drive (reverse
gear impossible) and we needed to repair it unaided. The problem
could have been caused either by a seized gearshift mechanism
(we'd had this problem a year ago but geasing had fixed it) or
damage inside the gearbox such as a broken part jamming the gear
selectors.
There was a tiny clue. About
50 miles from home, changing from third to fourth, I think it
was, there was a slight graunching noise and minutes before the
gearbox had locked up a similar noise was heard. Could the cause
be a fractured selector fork which had finally given up and broken?
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A view of my Fiat Ducato
soon after my son Jeremy, only slightly helped by myself, started
dismantling the parts necessary to get to the gearbox. This started
with the starter motor and at that point we realised that all
the bolts were going to be extremely difficult to remove. A year
or two ago, in order to get through the MoT test I'd swapped
the front brake disks and pads and found it impossible to shift
the caliper securing bolts with my tools. Since then, for other
purposes, I'd invested in an impact wrench and this proved to
be our salvation. We were able to remove enough bolts in order
to loosen the gearbox from the engine.
All was not well however because
the gearbox would move only a couple of inches from the engine.
After puzzling over this problem for ages we stumbled upon a
report about our specific version of gearbox assembly. For esoteric
reasons, which I understand were soon abandoned, the clutch release
mechanism is secured inside the bell housing by a shaft which
extends outside the casing so it can be removed. The end of the
shaft has a groove around the perimeter so a "special"
tool can be used to remove it. Alas, like other parts (which
had suffered from corrosion due to standing water) the shaft
was completely seized. The special (expensive) tool succeded
in removing the end of the shaft, leaving the remainder securely
in place.
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Why
is this shaft so difficult to remove, even with the special precision
tool, you might ask?
Well, it's due to a design fault...
but nothing to do with this clever method of reducing clutch/gearbox
noise.
The error was to fit a rubber
tube for rainwater from drain channels which was too short. The
rubber tube ends just above the gearbox and allows water to pour
onto the flattish gearbox top.
As you can see here there's
even a cavity around the shaft which fills up with water. This
picture was taken after I'd removed most of the white aluminium
oxide corrosion residue.
The shaft being steel and the
hole being aluminium means that the shaft is virtually welded
in place.
20 years of corrosion!
Below, at this point I'd removed
most of the aluminium oxide surface corrosion, but you can see
it's still pretty horrible.
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How on earth can we remove
this shaft? At first we were stumped, but...... other people
had reported another method. This was to drift out the shaft
from inside the bell housing but this required a hole to be drilled
in exactly the right place. I didn't fancy this idea and in fact
it's easy to break the aluminium casting close to the point where
the shaft protrudes.
So.. what's the solution? Well
another intrepid repairer had come up with a much better solution.
This may have been Fiat's last resort method, or merely a stroke
of good luck... who knows?
At the bottom of the gearbox
is an inspection hole (shown below) and by levering the bell
housing away from the engine to its fullest extent... a couple
of inches... it's possible to see the bolts securing the clutch
assembly to the flywheel. There are four pairs of 6mm hex screws
and by inserting an Allen key with a longish handle each bolt
can be unscrewed. To do this means turning the pulley at the
front of the engine using a very long extension bar with a largish
handle as the engine is not only stiff to move but the tilted
bell housing is fighting against any movement. However this is
quite an easy job. First the Allen key is used to break the seizing
and then, because of limited access that Allen key needs to be
replaced with a shortened one. This was easy enough, using an
angle grinder to cut about ten mm from the short end. This modified
Allen key can then be used to fully loosen each screw until the
gearbox falls away and can be withdrawn, complete with the clutch
mechanism and friction plate. The whole assembly is very heavy.
During manipulation of the gearbox
a plastic fitting broke. As the gearbox could rotate relatively
freely a protruding part of the casting struck a fuel pipe where
it enters a multi-way block on the back of the engine. Alas,
this is a complicated and very expensive part. Being a weak plastic
part you'd think that Fiat would supply just the multi-way block..
but it seems not.
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Here's a view of the inspection
hole in the lower part of the bell housing.
At least there are no corroded
screws securing a protective cover to remove as there isn't one.
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With the gearbox on the
bench you can see the huge amount of corrosion on the upper surface
compared with the lower part. You can also check the operation
of the gear change lever. This should rotate and/or pull out
or push in quite freely. Ours moves only less than half an inch
in any direction. It's free to move so not seized but clearly
something is restricting its movement. My guess is a broken part
is responsible.
That odd shaped lump of metal
with a ball is a counterweight to assist in gear changing and
after viewing a vlog I can report that it's a very brittle steel
casting so don't attempt to detach it. It isn't necessary anyway.
You can see rust on that shaft
so that's something to rectify and grease later.
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Below, a couple of views
of the gearbox on the bench (upper surface followed by underside).
Clutch lever bottom right. |
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Above you can see the "captive
version" clutch mechanism. It uses an operating lever anchored
to a seized shaft mentioned previously. I believe that by poking
at that centre release bearing one can jiggle the parts
free. As our clutch was fine and has little wear all this will
remain in place. On the left is the hole for the nearside (passenger
side) driveshaft.
Below, after cleaning away a
lot of aluminium corrosion we removed the top cover. This is
secured by a set of T40 screws and the cover is securely "glued"
in place requiring a lot of hammering and levering with a large
screwdriver.
Below, after detaching the cover
you can see the gears responsible for the fifth gear on my 2.3JTD.
Poking out the top right are
the ends of the three shafts used for holding the gear shift
forks.
The hole for the offside drive
shaft (centre right) is protected from dirt ingress. The area
on the right is the differential gearing casing and will be left
alone.
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The next step is to remove
these top gears and withdraw the casing to expose the main gear
trains, but first we'll need to detach the three ident springs
with their ball bearings otherwise the latter will be ejected
and probably lost. This is were we met a very tricky problem.
The screws holding the ident parts in place are Torx and are
sunken in holes which of course, over the years had been full
of water resulting in really bad corrosion. Because of the position
of the gearbox I hadn't seen how bad this was and selected a
Torx T30 bit that fitted snuggly. Unfortunately, although this
was tight initially, under some force it then spun uselessly.
I turned the gearbox so I could see more clearly and found so
much corrosion it had removed the top surface of the steel screws
thus reducing the strength of the Torx aperture. After cleaning
away corrosion residue a T40 bit almost fitted in the two shallow
holes and fairly snuggly in the deep hole (left.. below). The
Torx indentations were shallower than original because the upper
surface of the steel screws had corroded away. My Torx bits have
a slight champher resulting in less penetration so I ground this
away to give me a flat end. Tapping the bit with a hammer into
each Torx hole resulted in a tight fit so with luck I can now
remove the screws. The problem is similar to the seized clutch
shaft (also due to the poor design of rainwater extraction) where
the steel/aluminium contact area is badly corroded and resulting
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Above, a view of the three
screws which secure the springs and ball bearings for click-stopping
the gear lever. As I explained they're completely seized and,
despite being very careful, a T40 Torx bit failed to release
the two on the left (below) ending up with roughly circular graunched
holes. I initially drilled small holes at the outer edges of
the screws to produce a widish slot but the screw still failed
to budge using a ground down chisel fitted to my impact driver.
So, next we drilled a hole through the left screw and tried a
stud extractor but this also failed. The final (successful) method
was to deepen the slot using a small drill and then use a wide
screwdriver bit, slightly ground narrower to clear the aluminium
housing, in the impact wrench. This worked and the two graunched
screws loosened. Thankfully the rightmost screw loosened with
a T40 Torx bit, again using the impact driver.
Right, three new plugs. These
are very popular with designers because they're used on lots
of current models of car.
Here's a useful fact.. the ball
bearings used in the ident mechanism have a diameter of 7.5mm.
Below, the condition of the
old screws after they'd been loosened.
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It was now safe to tackle
the top casting carrying the 5th gear selector and gears. All
the securing screws, whether Torx or standard bolts needed the
impact driver as most were corroded. |
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The Ducato gearbox has
its four forward and reverse housed in the main casting with
the fifth gear fitted under a steel cover screwed to the top.
There's a stock fault very common
to the fifth gear and it's possible to access and repair this
problem with the gearbox in-situ. Mine is OK.
However, to repair a general
fault the whole gearbox assembly, including the bell housing,
must be removed. In the case of my version of the Ducato the
clutch assembly is fitted into the bell housing in such a way
as to make it virtually impossible to detach. See
previous comments.
Once the box is removed the
fifth gear assembly can be detached as shown above and opposite.
Within this assembly is a spring
clip which I shall later exchange. Read on.
Below, now that the casting
has been pulled off, the main gears, layshaft and reverse gears
can be seen.
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Here are three views of
the main gear assemblies visible once the aluminium casting has
been pulled off.
The smaller reverse gear can
be pulled off by jiggling it, then the selector mechanism needs
to be detached, mainly by jiggling it until it frees up after
removing its six Torx securing screws. The process is easier
if the peg (shown) is pulled out.
At this point we decided to
try and locate the fault which was jamming the gearbox in second
gear.
By trying to move the gold-coloured
selector arms by hand we could see a section of spring sticking
out from the gears preventing two of the gears (low down on the
shaft) from unmeshing.
It's interesting to note that
if one used excessive pressure on the mechanism the dislocated
spring might be encouraged to slip back into the slot or even
be broken off. Two possible things would then occur. One is that
part of the (gold coloured) selector arm could snap off or secondly
any freed broken spring parts would jam the main gears. In either
case significantly more damage will result.
Below you can see a good view
of the protruding spring.
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To replace the bad spring
the entire set of gears needed to be detached from the shaft
commencing with the top nut. This nut has a shoulder which was
punched into a pair of slots in the top of the shaft. The punching
needs to be reversed so the nut can be turned. Once the nut is
free to rotate it can be simply detached using a 36mm socket
fitted to an impact wrench.
At this point you have a problem.
There's a bearing pressed onto the shaft and there's very little
clearance (approx 1mm) to use a standard puller. There's a type
of circlip fitted around the bearing and this may be for helping
to pull the bearing free? In fact the official way of detaching
the bearing is to fit a puller under the gear immediately below
the bearing. In the event we didn't have any tools for that method
so we made a simple puller to do the job. We started by using
two very thin metal plates (about 1.5mm thick) which were tapped
into the space below the bearing. This was only possible by grinding
the leading edges of the plates so they gradually levered up
the bearing when tapping in. We then used a couple of L-shaped
pieces of metal (for strength), slightly thicker (about 2mm)
and again ground to a champher to make a tight fit under the
bearing. Tapping these into place enabled us to move the bearing
up the shaft a mm or two for sufficient clearance for thicker
metal plates. We used whatever material and bolts that were to-hand
so things are certainly not pretty. Pictures below.
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Once the bearing started
to shift upwards we were able to use more sturdy material. The
next picture shows a failed attempt due to weak material and
below this the successful puller. |
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You can see we had trouble
finding suitable junk box bits and pieces and that some design
changes were clearly desirable, but the puller did work and the
bearing finally popped off. This was quickly followed by most
of the gears. Picture below, arranged as they came off.. bottom
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And finally, here's the
culprit.
The last securing clip was removed
and the last set of gears detached to reveal the broken spring..
below.
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Why did this spring
fracture after only 20,000 miles ?
Well, this event is not uncommon
because there are countless replacements on sale. Also there
are plenty of vlogs regarding Fiat Ducato (plus similar Peugeot
and Citroen badged vehicles) describing gearbox failures which
can mostly be traced back to bad springs.
There are two versions of this
spring viz. Fiat parts 9645385880 and 9645385980. The gearbox in my 2.3JTD uses three of the
first part (opposite) and two of the second. I'm expecting a
set of these five to be delivered in an hour or so (6th August
2025).
As I passed my GCE Metalwork
exam (back in 1958) with flying colours I can explain (roughly)
how these springs are made.
Given a superior quality carbon
steel wire, a length is cut and shaped. The metal is then heated
until it has reached a specific temperature then quickly quenched
to produce a hard brittle finish. The heating is then repeated
until a second critical temperature is reached. The metal is
then quickly quenched resulting in a springy finish.
The temperatures involved are
really critical and of course the quality and specification of
the raw carbon steel is especially important.
If either the raw steel wire
and/or the manufacturing process is not perfect the spring will
fail to meet its design target life. The steel composition is
absolutely vital. If an unsuitable or cheap alloy is used, say
to cut costs, the end result will be a horrendously expensive
gearbox repair.
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As a matter
of interest I've contacted
"Customer
Care" at Fiat for any feedback on this spring failure after
a mere 20,000 miles together with any comment on the rainwater
pipe positioning.
Well, I can
report that Fiat "Customer Care" were totally useless
and should be renamed "Fiat couldn't care less".
For general interest I've shown
a drawing of the contents of the main reduction gear shaft below
with numbers in red to indicate their removal sequence and identification
later.
Right.. the set of relacement
springs £42.13
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Removal of nearly all
these parts is necessary to access the broken spring (Part 25).
There are four springs mounted on this shaft, the topmost being
a Type 14 marked 14-C above (Part 9). Parts 15 to
8 at the top of the drawing are for fifth gear and located in
the section on top of the main casting and covered by a steel
cover.
Once these (fifth) gears are
detached, plus a C-shaped ring securing the top mainshaft bearing,
the main gearbox casting can be pulled off exposing three shafts;
the reduction gears shown above plus the layshaft (which I'm
not dismantling) and reverse gear parts (I'll be swapping spring
14-D). Summarising, the only parts needing replacement are the
five springs. One Type 14 is buried in the fifth gears plus a
second Type 14 (Part 9) and three Type 13 springs (Parts 11,
23
and 25) which are located on the main reduction gear
shaft.
The various parts in the drawing
are supplied in sets as shown in the lower-left picture listing
A-D whose grey numbers relate to the parts list below.
Examination of the parts removed
from the shaft suggest that A to D (the synchromesh parts) contain
some common parts viz. the three ring-shaped items. You'll note
that B (the sync parts for 1st/2nd gears) are fitted so they're
facing. This is the same for C (sync parts for 3rd/4th gears)
so it's important to fit these the right way round!
Looking at the parts listing
below you'll note that some parts which look identical have different
Fiat part codes so will presumably not be interchangeable.
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Having received the new
springs I'm ready to begin reassembly of the reduction gears
onto the shaft so studied the parts drawing (above) to check
I knew which way round the parts fitted.
As I also have an eLearn document
describing the process of dismantling and reassembly I decided
to read this for any extra advice. I was then very puzzled because
the drawing of the synchronisers was totally different to the
parts I'd removed.
The accompanying text said to
take care to remove the "balls" and the drawing showed
an arrangement very like the gearchange ident mechanism with
a springs and ball bearings. Also the strange three-legged gear
has not three but six legs. It seems that there are two different
synchroniser designs. My initial document mentions the "Nuovo"
Ducato... so, did the designers change from an "ident"
method to those circular springs with those protruding sections?
Surely the simpler spring design reduced the overall cost of
making the gearbox? If so then spring reliability let them down
(maybe their sub-contractor was sloppy?).
Cost saving maybe £20
per vehicle. 100,000 vehicles saves two million quid. Fiat plus
Peugeot plus Citroen.
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Above you can see how
I fitted two of the new springs. When the gears were removed
one spring was stuck inside the annular gearwheel. Using logic
and hopefully getting it right I wedged the springs into place
as shown inside that three-legged gear. Below are two views of
the assembled shaft without the bearing.. I'm sure I've got the
assembly wrong because there's insufficient space to fit the
bearing and its impossible to move either the upper or the lower
fork ring.
The shaft has three identically-looking
sectors and these two pictures show views which are 120 degrees
apart. The right hand end fits into the casing where it mates
with the differential gear. Note that the bearing should slide
onto the plain section of shaft at present taken up with the
top gear. The topmost gear with the special nut fit onto the
bearing then protrude above the gearbox case once this has been
fitted. I won't fit the bearing until I'm completely happy with
the assembly.
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This reassembly was wrong
in two ways. First the brass coloured partly toothed ring Part
8
should have been pressed into the annular fork ring. Secondly,
I hadn't noticed that the lower annular fork ring has raised
sections on the internal grooves that are not too obvious and
these must be positioned to coincide with the positions of the
jutting out parts of the circular (Type 13) springs otherwse
these raised sections prevent upwards movement of the fork selector
ring. Below are pictures of correct assembly. First the top fork
selector in its two positions. Ignore their incorrect location
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The picture on the right
shows the uppermost part-toothed ring pressed into position in
the fork selector annular gear.
Below is the underside view
of the uppermost assembly opposite
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Here are more views of
the various sub-assemblies fitted on the shaft.First the 1st/2nd
gear mechanism mounted on the bottom of the shaft.
When correctly assembled, pulling
the selector ring upwards or pressing downwards should produce
a sharp click either side of centre neutral. You can see that
one side of the selector ring has missing teeth defining three
120 degree sectors.
Note that the lowest gear on
the shaft is 1st (cog 30), followed by 2nd (cog 18) plus their
selector. These are followed by 3rd (cog 16) and 4th (cog
6)
with their selector. 5th gear selection is carried out in the
add-on part enclosed by a steel cover whilst reverse is handled
by a gearwheel mounted on a swinging arm which allows engagement
or disengagement from neutral.
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1st/2nd gears. Top ring deselected (3 x 11 teeth)
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1st/2nd gears. Top ring selected (3 x 11 teeth)
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The pictures below
show how the 3rd/4th synchromesh gears are arranged.
Visible on the underside of
the 3-legged gear, below left, you can see a Type 13 spring wedged
in place.
Bottom left, a Type 14 spring
held in place by the 7-toothed gold- coloured ring which is fitted
in place below right.
1st/2nd synchromesh gears use
a pair of Type 13 springs wedged in place on their 3-legged gear
as shown bottom right.
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Having proved that both
selector rings are able to be set in their upper, neutral and
lower settings I can now reassemble these on the shaft.
Pictures below show the assembled
gears in various settings before the upper bearing is pressed
home. I need to compare the gear positions with those on the
layshaft to check everything's OK. This shaft in isolation, with
the operation of each of the two selector rings (later connected
to forks and three settings governed by their ident mechanisms)
can be set to any one of 24 combinations through the choice of:
1st, neutral and 2nd. 3rd neutral and 4th.
Once fully installed with interlocks
these combinations reduce to only five
viz. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and
neutral, and with the other gears adding 5th and reverse.
Before gearbox reassembly
I'll tackle the horrible corrosion caused by Fiat's slack designers
who'd arranged for rainwater to be sprayed onto the gearbox.
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Finally, after matching
the gear positions to those on the layshaft, I fitted the bearing
(Part 4) with its shim (Part 5). Rather than
hammer it into place I used a spacer (a jubilee clip) with a
pair of washers and just screwed down the nut (Part 1)
until it bottomed out. This required my impact driver with a
large 36mm socket because the shaft is free to rotate and a lot
of force is needed (the nut measures 36mm across its flats).
It's vital to set the bearing correctly in place (which is tight
against the shim), as later when fitting the casting, the
C-shaped securing clip should be a precise interference fit in
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Next I cleaned up the
damaged threads in the ident mechanism holes. The depth from
the casing to the ledge which stops the screw's tubular end section
varies for the three from 21mm to 18mm.
The new screws with their ball
bearings and springs will be fitted once the three associated
shafts are in place.
But now I've come across a problem..
One needs at least 3 hands and preferably four to reassemble
the main parts. The main shaft, layshaft plus the two gear shift
forks need to be placed in their correct positions simultaneously
and they wobble around freely, and they're quite heavy.
The forks cannot be fitted independently
but must be engaged with the selector rings as shown in the pictures
below.
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The pictures above show...
firstly the main and layshaft placed in their correct positions,
secondly the gear shift forks also fitted then the four assemblies
fitted loosely together, then the holes through which all four
must locate correctly at the same time. One method might be to
fit these four assemblies into the upper casting then upend the
bell housing and jiggle it into position. Once this has been
done upend and carefully remove the casting. This would mean
manipulating the heavy bell housing with its captive clutch assembly.
I found the best way was to make a template from strong card
with the four holes (shown above) precisely marked from the upper
casting, place a couple of securing straps around the four assemblies,
locate the template over the shafts then wiggle the whole thing
in place.
The method was successful and
I left the template in place so I could check gear selection
was OK. I used six tie wraps to keep the two gear shafts together.
The template was made by marking stiff card from the top of the
gearbox upper casting then cutting the holes with scissors. A
small paper template made it easier to locate the two selector
shafts.
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This picture shows the
four assemblies in position. Next to be fitted will be the reverse
gear selector shaft, reverse gear with its axle and the selector
mechanism. The latter is shown below. Note that there's a locating
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Fitting the additional
parts is a bit tricky and a fair bit of wiggling around may be
necessary to fit everything properly. For example here.. I hadn't
noticed that I'd forgotten to locate that selector shaft peg
through the hole below the normal operating position. I only
noticed once I'd had trouble locating the selector assembly whose
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Note that one needs to
temporarily remove a pin (shown below) otherwise its impossible
to fit things back in place. I'd replaced the pin during disassembly
to avoid losing it and it's well nigh impossible to complete
the assembly without temporarily removing it. The pin is located
in the U-shaped bracket (right). Once this has been removed things
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Here's a sting in the
tale. As I added more of the parts from the pile left over I
picked up the 5th gear assembly and spotted the synchromesh spring
(seen through those three apertures) was a funny shape. You can
see on the left a view after a new spring had been fitted and
the old spring on the right. For some odd reason two springs
in the set of 5 in the gearbox are like this one (Part 34,
a Type 14 spring) and held captive in their brass (Part 35).
Ref the drawing above. Whether the
broken spring would have been released from its mounting like
the broken Type 13 I can't say, but it's clearly either a very
serious design error, or a significant fault in the spring manufacture.
I should really tackle Fiat once more about this. After a mere
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Left, the repaired 5th
gear synchromesh assembly. Below its broken spring (Fiat part
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This is the 5th gear synchromesh
assembly temporarily fitted so that I can test its operation
before refitting the top gearbox casting. You'll note the hole
for securing the fork to the shaft will need to be fitted once
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Below, a trial fitting of the
casting before using the sealant.
The casting is an "interference
fit" making it tricky to put back in place. For example
the casting close to the top of the layshaft fits underneath
the top gear and removal of the casting because of this is not
straightforward. You may notice a Torx ident bolt is still fitted
from repairing thread damage. The springs and balls are not in
place yet. A set of three new bolts will be used.
I'd noticed on disassembly a
small circularish rubber ring dropped onto the bench (Number
19 opposite) which fits on top of the plastic oil feed (Number
8 opposite). This oil feed is just held in place by its two clips
close to the reverse gear selector mechanism.
As the casting is pressed into
position using a rubber mallet a few internal parts need to be
located so they slip into their mating holes. The main gearshaft
upper bearing is a tight fit in the casting. I measured the height
of the bearing up to its circlip and this is 17.1mm. The casting
thickness is 12.4mm so the top edge of the bearing will protrude
by about 5mm from the upper surface of the casting.
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Above... The reverse gear
ident mechanism is different to that for other gears and need
not be removed during disassembly. The ball at its end automatically
locates in a hollow in the lever. Also the reverse gear switch
can be left in place as the end slides into place down the selector
lever as the casting is replaced. The union covered by the black
plastic cap is used for filling the gearbox with oil.
The final steps in reassembly
were to fit and tighten down the upper casting, fit the 5th gear
synchromesh assembly, pressing home the pin securing the selector
fork to the activating post, and fit the clamp for the mainshaft
together with the large nut. Two points of note: in order to
prevent impact damage to the cast fork I used a mole wrench to
squeeze the pin in position. The large nut was tightened by hand
then tapped a few times with a punch to tighten it.. then the
punch was used to bend inwards the rim of the nut. Also note
that the gap between the main shaft top bearing and the casting
only opened sufficently to insert and bolt down the C-shaped
locating tab once the set of securing bolts was fitted and fully
tightened. Also, the lay shaft roller bearing remained very slack
until all the bolts had been tightened. Note that there's a tiny
rubber seal (part 19 in the drawing shown previously) that fits
over the plastic oil distribution tube (part 8).
Once completed everything seems
to work as it should and I did remember to remove the magnet
and clean this before refitting it.
I used a tube of Reinzosil for
applying the seals between the bell-housing and the upper casting
plus the top cover.
Below, views of the reassembled
gearbox.
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Above... an amazing improvement
when painted.
Below, where the overhauled
gearbox needs to go back.
Note the 8 hex bolts (in 4 pairs)
around the flywheel. These will be removed then carefully reinserted
via the bell housing inspection hole to secure the clutch.
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Before we'd discovered
the abyssmal design of the clutch assembly the gearbox twisted
around and snapped a fuel line. Yet another design weakness..
the clutch operating lever pivots on a shaft across the inside
of the bell housing. The design is very bad because the shaft
is an interference fit through the aluminium casting and after
a few years the shaft is impossible to slide out. There's a special
tool made for the job, quite expensive and absolutely useless
because all it does is pull away the steel lip on the end of
the seized shaft. Some say that the best method of removing the
shaft is to drill a hole in the bell housing opposite the far
end of the shaft and drift it out using a punch. This might work
for some, but for others you end up breaking the aluminium casting.
Fortunately another recommendation is a much safer method which
is to unscrew the clutch assembly from the flywheel via the inspection
hole in the bottom of the bell housing. This worked fine but
before we'd discovered this method the gearbox had spun around
and broken a fuel feed pipe which is terminated on 4-way adaptor
mounted on a plate adjacent to the bell housing (in fact the
adaptor is 5-way not 4-way as the documentation describes it).
The damage was to the male part
of the lower of two quick release connectors. It just cleanly
snapped off the 4 way adaptor. At first sight one needs to buy
a complete fuel line assembly at upwards of £250.
Initially I thought the 4-way
adaptor combined four pipes in a manifold but after taking pictures
of the thing it seemed the 4-way adaptor had two separate functions.
Firstly it serves to connect the fuel tank via a filter to the
fuel pump. Secondly it connects the fuel return pipe from the
engine to the tank. However after more detailed scrutiny it seems
a pressure relief valve marked "Dayco" connects the
two pipes.
The pictures below are not exactly
definitive. That shiny screw (top right picture) is to close
off any diesel leakage and the broken pipe has been strung up
to prevent the tank from draining. Top left you can see the name
"Dayco" on the pressure relief valve.
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From the two drawings below
it's the feed pipe from the fuel filter (marked "2")
which is broken off. A possible solution, assuming the broken
part can't be glued back, is to seal off the entry (currently
this is done with a screw) cut the nylon pipe to the fuel pump
and insert a three-way adaptor. The pipe from the filter can
then be connected to the adaptor. That still allows fuel from
the relief valve to recirculate. The adaptor will have an 8mm
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Just a few bits to re-install..
plus the air cleaner, starter motor and lots of pipes to reconnect.
Then fill the gearbox with oil
and reassemble the gear lever and various dashboard items removed
when diagnosing the problem.
Finally the front wheels.
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At this point I decided
to fix the damaged fuel line. One option is to heat the plastic
fitting and weld in place either the broken piece or a new brass
fitting. As this means lying under the van with a hot air gun
to heat the plastic fitting I checked on the ignition point for
diesel fuel because the pipe was pretty wet. I discovered that
the temperatures involved would make it very dangerous to tackle
with the fitting in-situ. The plastic is PA66 nylon and has a
melting point of 260C whilst diesel fuel ignites at 210C. Using
a blanking screw as I already tried successfully means cutting
and inserting a T-piece in the tubing. This also requires a measure
of heating. The options therefore reduce to screwing a suitable
connector into the hole in the fitting or removing the fuel pipes.
The latter was the better option but alas this was much more
tricky than we'd imagined.
The fuel pipes are held inn
place by four banjos but one uses a 18mm bolt with a flexible
pipe secured to its head. One can only loosen the bolt about
half-way due to tension in the pipe so we had to detach the pipe.
The better option was to leave it connected at the bolt head
and release the opposite end, but this connects to the fuel injectors
as shown below. After unclipping these injectors the bolt was
removed.
The other three banjo bolts
were easy enough to remove and with a lot of wiggling the fuel
pipe was detached.
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To prevent the fuel tank
from emptying under gravity the quick release pipes were wedged
higher than the tank as shown here.
Below, the device marked "Dayco"
has markings which are not part numbers but codes indicating
the nylon material eg. "PA66" which is the grade of
nylon. The top part is flexible and the body pretty hard. The
break is shown on the right. The hole is 5mm in diameter and
I'd used an M5 bolt with some polythene to blank it off. It seems
a reasonable idea to thread the hole for an M6 screw. The thread
depth available measured at 11mm to 12mm up to the hole from
the valve.
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After attempting to make
an adaptor suitable for inserting into the hole (above right)
and running into trouble I found a seller offering a collection
of varied brass fittings whose design looked ideal for the job.
I chose 15mm of thread to fit the 12mm available and a pipe fitting
that will be suitable for fixing the feed line from the filter.
I now need to carefully thread the hole for M6. Note: Threaded
barbed adaptors didn't have enough thread (less than 8mm).
Once fitted I'll take a view
on whether to add Option 2, a 3-way adaptor, as backup.
Failed!!
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Why did my plan fail?
The reason might have been obvious. Although the picture in the
group of three, above right, shows a M4 tappable hole, when I
tried this the thread length was a mere 1mm (the thickness of
that reinforcing ring). After that point the hole measured 6mm
(ie 8mm tube with 1mm wall thickness). I realised that I could
make do with the piece of broken tube as this was OK for threading
at 8mm if the hole in the fitting could be tapped to suit. In
fact, because of difficulties in tapping the flexible nylon,
this would only work if I drilled the hole from 6mm to the recommended
6.8mm (for M8). Luckily I had a 6.8mm drill and after enlarging
the hole, I was able to tap it using a tapered tool.
Threading the broken plastic
tube for 8mm was tricky as it needed a critical pressure to hold
it in place, but it worked and I managed to thread about 10mm
or so. The final step was to fit the threaded tube and to do
this I needed copper grease to overcome friction. Because of
elasticity in the plastic the M8 thread on the tube was oversize
and the hole thread was undersize. I used a pair of pliers to
tighten the tube (remember that not only were the threads slightly
off-size the far end of the tapped thread was tapered). The end
result is a lot stronger than the original but the quick release
ring is missing so I'll need to cut off the quick release plug
and use a linking tube fitted with a tapered brass 6mm joiner.
Note that I did remember to empty the tube of plastic swarf before
screwing in the tube.
I could of course used a larger
M8 brass fitting like the one shown above but that might have
needed plumbers tape to reduce the chance of leakage.
Now that the tubing is restored
the gearbox can be refitted.
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Fitting the new pipe was
slightly complicated as I didn't want to damage the repair. I
fitted about 12 inches of 8mm extension pipe to the threaded
tube. The extension is a hard nylon of 8mm overall diameter (essentially
5/16 inch) and around 6mm internal bore. The plan was to join
this to the original pipe using a barbed adaptor carrying a male
quick release fitting compatible with the original. Refitting
the pipe assembly involves securing its four banjos, with one
that needed the fuel injectors unclipping, screwed into place
allowing the fuel injector feed pipe to rotate freely. Once the
final banjo was tightened the four injector pipes were refitted
and clipped int place. Note that the pipe assembly which needed
a lot of jiggling to detach needs to be fitted as it was originally...
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One of the difficulties
met during dismantling of parts in order to access the gearbox
was the air cleaner securing bolts. These are rubber shock mounts
(right) and, because their securing nuts in the base of the air
cleaner box are too corroded to remove without breaking them,
putting back the air cleaner requires new mounts. These are used
in many versions of the van but for my 2.3JTD of 2005 the Fiat
part number is 7657109 and it's called a "Pad". Prices
vary but can be as much as £40 for a set of three. After
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These originals are threaded
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New air cleaner mounts
fitted and new filter, left.
Putting the air cleaner back
will involve a lot of manipulation due to limited space.
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Now.. refitting the repaired gearbox
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Getting the gearbox into
position is quite difficult in one respect but slightly easier
in another. The easy bit is because the clutch mechanism is carried
inside the bell housing so doesn't need a centering mandrel.
The major problem however is that the clutch mechanism which
needed to be unbolted from the flywheel whilst remaining captive
inside the bell housing makes reassembly extremely awkward in
two respects.. firstly the clutch needs to be located on three
flywheel pegs before it can be bolted onto the flywheel and this
isn't easy. The solution adopted was to fit the clutch activating
plate making it possible to press the clutch pedal to ease the
clutch plate off the back of the flywheel. Once freed, the engine
can be turned so that the pegs can be located, then the six securing
screws can each be fitted using the shortened Allan key via the
inspection hole..
In the event, fitting those
six hex screws was incredibly difficult. The main problems being
the very limited access through the inspection hole (which is
probably so you can see clutch wear rather than access those
screws) and misalignment of the plate and flywheel. To make progress
we had to free the bell housing and withdraw it back about 10mm.
That reduced the pressure between the parts allowing us to line
up the nearest peg but, because the parts were misaligned, the
hex screws couldn't be screwed into place because the extra 10mm
clearance meant the screws were too short. A slightly longer
temporary M8 bolt (bottom left) was used instead which, after
a lot of fiddling getting the thread to line up and bite, managed
to pull the plate closer to the flywheel with the local peg in
its hole. Then, turning the engine via the front pulley nut enabled
a correct hex screw to be inserted (bottom right)...again with
great difficulty to align the threads and using an Allan key
cut to the minimum length of a few mm inserted into the gap and
twisted into position. Then, after fitting the pair of screws
the engine was turned about 120 degrees so the next screw could
be inserted. The remainder followed, with the initial bolt finally
being removed and the proper hex screw inserted. As each screw
was inserted and tightened, the engine rotation became freer
as the plate and flywheel took up their correct postions. The
exercise took about two hours in pouring rain. The last step
was to close the 10mm gap, drawing the bell housing into place,
and then finally fully tightening the six hex screws.
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This tricky method of
assembly was only necessary because the clutch mechanism was
frozen into place by corrosion. We could have attempted to free
this but previous attempts by others had broken the gearbox mounts
on which the clutch release mechanism slides. A possible easier
solution is to enlarge the inspection aperture, perhaps by an
inch or so. This would enable the job to be done more quickly
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We're not the first to complain
about rain falling on the windscreen of the Ducato being dumped
onto the top of the gearbox. In fact, with the drain tube correctly
positioned to clear the gearbox (it hadn't even detached itself
from its weak clip) I noticed that the hollows in which the Torx
gear idents are fitted were full of water. Then I noticed a steady
dripping from the point where the top of the rubber pipe is clipped.
This wedges into a well behind the black plastic grille on the
passenger side. This aperture also carries the fresh air input
to the cab. Over the years this well had become full of dirt
and no doubt this contributed to the leak. I cleaned out the
area once the grilles had been removed and fitted an extension
to the drain tube. Note that rough handling of the drain tube
will unwedge it from the bottom of the well which will result
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The first job I tackled after
the gearbox was back in place was to level the engine/gearbox
and remove the jacks. There were a few boxes of parts to reassemble
and I set to work fishing out the mounts for the gearbox. During
disassembly I now recall the fact that, of the four fixings for
that (now repainted) cast aluminium part shown right, two nuts
came off (17mm) but two nuts drew out their studs. I'd forgotten
this and assumed a couple of bolts had been fitted. I found it
extremely tricky matching up the holes so the very long bolt
could be inserted. It meant arranging the pair of fittings precisely,
with less than 0.5mm discrepancy, before the bolt passed through
both. This was done by adjusting two jacks and levering with
a large screwdriver. I then noticed the bolts stopped screwing
in by a couple of mm and not tightening.
I looked at the drawings in
the Ducato manual and then remembered the studs.
Of course, if studs are used,
it's only necessary to line up the pair of fixtures in one (horizontal)
dimension because the left part can be lifted or lowered into
place to line up the holes for the long bolt.
Below, the correct studs are
now fitted with their 17mm nuts.
Note also that single stud (not
a T20 bolt) in the main casting below.
Note the (temporarily) extended
drain tube.
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This picture is from the
Fiat manual for the "new" Ducato. Peviously, and possibly
in error the pin labelled "15" isn't shown in the ELearn
drawings, instead a bolt is shown.
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Refitting the mounts above
was puzzling. Initially I thought I'd mislaid one of four securing
bolts for the lower mounting bracket but then spotted, from the
pictures I'd taken, that two bolts and two posts are used. One
post (part 15 = 9639-29-0180 replaced by 9684-04-5780) is used
for mounting the bracket for anchoring the gearshift cables (shown
in the right-hand picure). The posts are similar but different.
The second (part 16 = 9684-04-5380) has a larger centre shoulder
than the first. These posts are presumably designed to make it
easier to align the mounting bracketry.
Next, the mount for the gearbox
to chassis (below).
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Now, here's a puzzle.
During initial disassembly, the mounting plate is in position
above left with both studs located. Then you can see the nearest
stud has been unscrewed and the other left where it is. The studs
are 14mm diameter and the holes are 14.25mm diameter. Stud 16
has a centre bush of 14mm and stud 15 a centre bush of 18mm.
That means the two studs were reversed. The proof is that the
nearest stud (part 15 with the 18mm fat centre bush) could not
have been extracted through the 14.25mm hole, but it has so must
have been part 16 not 15. The explanation is the cambelt was
changed last year and the mechanic must have reversed the two
pins.
Why are the two studs different?
They're both the same overall length of 90.5mm and have identical
M14 threads. In fact all the other variations of the Ducato use
three bolts and only one stud. That single stud is used for aligning
the mounts as the pair are in the "new" Ducato..
As I'd already fitted the gearbox
to the engine I didn't want to remove the mount so I could fit
the second stud (that's the one that is used to line up the mount
to the gearbox). That stud cannot be inserted through the mount
bolt hole so I ground away the fat part until the diameter was
just 14.25mm. It wasn't easy with basic tools but I managed and
it fitted perfectly. I used a 5/8 inch socket (which fits the
top of the stud) mounted to my impact driver to fit it. Below
is a picture showing the mounting arrangements with the studs
secured by M14 nuts.
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Now, fitting the lower mounting
bracket.
This Elearn picture accuracy
is pretty poor but at least it gives you some guidance. The bolts
(1) shown are M14 x 100mm and (2) is M14 x 80mm. The two holding
the triangular fitting to the gearbox casing are M12 x 60mm.
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This view is looking towards
the gearbox with the "Bracket" wedged under the chassis.
This somehow mates up with these two shock mounts on the right. See
drawing above.
One hole for the larger shock
mount can just be seen above.
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The centre bush of the
smaller shock mount fits between these prongs. One side of which
straddles the (silver) gearbox flange and the other, as you can
see here, will be positioned by some levering. This proved to
be straightforward, as once the jacks were removed, the engine
and gearbox could be moved easily to fit the triangular mount.
This was followed by fitting
the bracket, which bolts to the upper part of the gearbox, for
holding the twin gearshift cables shown below.
Thankfully the gearshift lever
very smoothly selected all the gears. Previously, before the
gearbox broke,. it had been pretty heavy.
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Above you'll note the temporary
drain tube extension. This will be sorted out later and will
include anchoring it into the well behind the grille.
This picture shows the half-shaft
refitted (a very difficult job as it only just wedges into place).
The hub nut is screwed up and awaits tightening to around 350Nm
and then punched into the slot in the shaft.
The suspension bolts were tightened
to 150Nm. The hex-slot caliper bolts (not visible here) were
tightened to 210Nm. The track rod end was 80Nm and the anti-roll
bar (undone to allow the half shaft to be refitted) was 56Nm.
Copper grease which you can
see in both these pictures was used to prevent rusting.
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Several smallish tasks
were then undertaken. Because of limited space I tackled the
fuel connection first. This was made with a section of rubber
fuel pipe with an internal bore of 6mm to fit the nylon tubes.
The outer diameter of the rubber tubing was about 11mm and ideal
for clamping with standard hose clips (these had been supplied
with the tubing).
See picture opposite... As the
black nylon tubing is relatively stiff it would fit in the existing
clamps so I made a wooden block to hold the new 8mm tube to the
adjacent 10mm tube. This was made by first drilling 8mm and 10mm
holes in the wooden block. Then a third (6mm) hole at right angles
between them. Then the block was split to accommodate the pair
of tubes and screwed together. This prevented undue strain on
the repaired fitting.
The original quick release fitting
was cut off and the rubber tube clamped to the 8mm nylon tube
from the fuel filter.
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It's now worth mentioning
filling the gearbox with oil. I bought three litre bottles of
Granville MTF FS 75W85 for £40 and used exactly 2.7 litres
which is Fiat's revised amount. Why "revised" you might
ask ? Well after regular gearbox problems costing Fiat's customers
hundreds of thousands of pounds of expensive repairs they decided
the original specified amont of oil was too low. Oops!!
There's another problem worth
(re)mentioning here as well. Because of the inept design of the
method of getting rid of rainwater draining off the vehicle water
gathered on the top of the gearbox. In some cases (not mine)
this water can find its way under the gearbox oil filler plastic
cap which is merely pushed over the hole (see picture on left).
Any ingress of water contaminates the gearbox oil....
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I found an ideal method
of filling the gearbox.
I found that the length of fuel
pipe for repairing the damaged pipework fitted snugly into the
gearbox filler hole. I threaded the tubing to the bonnet support
and used a small filter funnel as shown opposite.
By allowing a small steady trickle
of oil it took about ten minutes to add my 2.7 litres of oil.
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The next job was to refit
the air cleaner casing. More inept design. I'd imagined that
this was going to be easy but it wasn't. The thing mounts on
the three rubber shock mounts (fitted earlier) but was an interference
fit and had to be jammed into the space between the fuse box
and the bodywork.
Next was fitting the new air
cleaner cartridge. This was also a case of jamming it into position
and wiggling the base of the cartridge into position around the
air outlet.
The top part of the casing looked
too small compared with the amount of cartridge sticking out
but it did fit (not forgetting the rubber sealing ring). It's
secured with four self-tapping scews, two of which are virtually
impossible to reach. In the end I had to use shorter screws and
a stubby screwdriver for the rear two.
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Now another problem but
which may be due to ageing of the parts making them a lot less
flexible than they were originally.
I fitted the air inlet tube
from the engine after a lot of persuading before it jammed into
place (there's a locating notch which needs to be correctly lined
up).
However, the fresh air inlet
pipe shown here was impossible to fit before first removing the
plastic fitting bolted to the bodywork. Of course, after 20 years,
the ends of those M8 bolts were badly rusted and needed WD40
to help persuade out.
One removed I was able to fit
the plastic fitting to the tube and reclamp it. The other end
that fits to the air cleaner needed copper grease to get it to
push into place.
Below, everything apart from
the engine cover looking good.
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I tried the gear lever
and all the gears selected smoothly. I connected the battery,
and in neutral, turned the key to run the fuel pump. There was
a little spluttering, but then turning the key further, the engine
stuttered a little but started and ran perfectly.
I secured the axle nuts to a
decent torque, fitted the front wheels, and removed three axle
stands and the jack. The van is now back on its wheels for the
first time in a month.
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What I failed to mention was
that as I was about to start the engine I'd pressed the clutch
pedal and it sank immediately to the floor. Ooops.. that shouldn't
have happened.. I'll fix that later.
Around the clutch operating
cylinder I noticed evidence of brake fluid and when I looked
at a previous picture I'd taken when reassembling the fuel pipes
I saw that a clip was protruding where it shouldn't have been
(see below). The purpose of that clip is to lock the incoming
fluid pipe into position. The fluid pressure from the pedal had
withdrawn the pipe from the cylinder by around half an inch and
simultaneously opened the bleed valve. Fluid had shot out the
bleed nipple and then allowing the clutch pedal to rise had drawn
air into the cylinder.
Fortunately this was easily
rectified as bleeding the Ducato clutch takes only a minute or
so. I pulled back the pipe and my wife pressed down on the clutch
pedal. Air and some fluid came out. Once the pedal had been floored
I pushed back the pipe and held it in position. Then once pedal
was back up I pulled out the pipe and she again pressed the pedal.
This time a stream of brake fluid emerged, I pushed back the
tube and pressed back the clip. The clutch is now fully operational.
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